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Good luck in your search steelman! :-) Although I haven't hit their site in quite a while, I believe they are at www.frys.com, and think they do ship as well.
- dmartine40
the system crawls despite a fresh istall of XP. Multitasking is so slow.
Which machine would be faster for just normal multitasking ie opening abt 5 or 6 webpages
on IE8 and using Microsoft Word.
Will a 1410 dual core be faster that a HP 311 with ION?
Yes, faster than an HP with ION, but not quite so nice a graphics adapter.
Also, the intel atom has amazing OC ability. 2.1 ghz for most, with ~5 degree increase in heat, (upto about 65), well below the 110/125 degree danger point.
Both are free and have dxva support.
Granted the CPU makes for a somewhat smoother experience but it still struggles with Windows 7 and the battery is frankly appalling compared to my eee901. As for the graphical performance? Well, like the CPU its creates a slightly smoother experience but in my mind not enough to justify the huge jump in power consumption/battery usage.
If anyone is wanting one of these CULV machines I'd highly recommend waiting for the Lenovo U150 which will be available worldwide by the end of November and, in the UK at least, will be priced identically.
For me? Ion 2 + CULV is coming. I can wait.
Mine will be on eBay quicksharp. Despite the limitations of the 1.6ghz/smallscreen standard netbooks I've been working round the quirks for the last year, a couple more months won't hurt.
Also the cpu of the 1810tz is a su4100, the 1410 has only a su2300.
So i could very well be that those gateways are faster or have better battery life then a 1410.
Both the 1410 and 1810 have equivalents in the Gateway lineup (and within a third brand, if I remember correctly) that are identical machines but with different branding.
You can get different memory/hd (and presumably battery) configurations between and within each brand but they are the same base machine, stamped out with different branding.
They even all share the same dismal battery life under Windows 7 and the irritating fan :(
is the branding.
Anyone had this problem? Can recommend the correct/better audio driver?
I mean, I get the interests wanting to call this a laptop, but almost everthing you talk about is how it is like a netbook. Size, weight for example. So, I assume that you (and others) draw the line at the processor? So the processor makes this a laptop? So, when they come out with an 10.2" CULV computer it's a laptop? Therefore, when an Atom 11.6 or 12.1" computer comes out, it's also a laptop? Somewhere I'm getting confused, as should you since you are a so called expert.
Sometimes this situation makes me want to barf. I get the special interests out there who hold "laptop" so dearly. Their income depends on it. However, let's get our brains working together on this shall we?
Forget about what's inside the computer for starters. Shouldn't we? If you have a computer that is say, 3lb, 12 inches or less, is about 1" thick and take it out into public, what will people say to you? Geez nice laptop man! Or will they say, geez man, nice netbook! You have half of cyber space calling this a netbook, and you have the other half calling it a laptop. I strongly suggest, those out there holding onto "laptop" have special interests at heart. I mean, don't laptops have optical drives? Really must this go on? You describe a netbook in your friggin review, but you are using "laptop" to describe it.
Again, so to get this straight, when you review a 10.2 inch CULV or non Atom computer, it will be a laptop correct? But, if you have a 11.6" inch computer with Atom processor, you are going to call it....what? A laptop also? C'mon you're supposed to be the expert here.
Regardless, most people out there will want the best graphics and video playback abilities possible. They aren't going to say wow Windows 7 premium or wow dual core CULV if that ION netbook can play more video and new games at better framerates. Perhaps CULV has some magical graphic solution up their sleeve but if they don't, then people will buy "netbooks" and not wannabe netbooks that some people want to call laptops.
1. Netbooks *are* laptops, and if you read my reviews of other machines you'll see that I frequently use the words interchangeably.
2. I've always drawn the line between netbook and non-netbook at screen size. In order to be a netbook it needs to meet several criteria. It needs to have a 10.2 inch or smaller display, weigh about 3.5 pounds or less, and cost around $500 or less (although this price has dropped a lot in the last few years, so that I might think about revising it to $400 or less).
It's never been about the processor. The first OLPC had an AMD Geode processor, but it's still a netbook. The first Eee PC had an Intel Celeron processor: still a netbook. And there are plenty of machines with VIA C7-M or VIA Nano processors. They're netbooks too, as long as they're small, light, and cheap.
I've also never called the Sony Vaio P a netbook, because it doesn't meet all the criteria either. It's small, light, but expensive.
In the end, it's all semantics though. It doesn't matter what you call these devices. They're all changing the way we think about computer price, size, and performance.
I'm just curious about your criteria. It's great that you have such a criteria. When you have a site like yours you need to be balanced and consistent.
I think, if you really reflect on what terms you should be using, your heart must be going in a different direction. You haven't mentioned that netbooks don't have optical drives. Shouldn't that play a role in your choice of category? Where did you come up with the magical number of 10.2 inches? Think about it. You are reviewing a 3lb, 1" thick computer, no optical drive, a keyboard and trackpad that leaves no extra space, a computer with a built in webcam, that is cheap. Which part am I missing here? And this is a laptop why?
The reason you need to think this over a bit more, is simply because people in the public associate laptops with optical drives. Think not? I beg to differ then. Netbook are known not to have optical drives, and now you are labeling "netbooks" as "laptops".
I only take issue with this because you run a popular website. Saying 10.2 inches and under is netbook, may need some rethinking. Why wouldn't you include 11 inch computers in the netbook category? You might be able to argue about 12 inch, but be honest. Is somebody out there telling you what to call this computer? Don't confuse the public more than they already are. Either that, or you need to explain that this "laptop" doesn't have an optical drive. Don't laugh. People miss a lot of information when you put it in a review. Perhaps you mentioned it, or it was supposed to be obvious from the photos.
In closing, I just say that I get it. I get the industry holding onto "laptop" so dearly and not wanting to let that go. Perhaps you are part of that special interest group, I'm not sure. You need to figure it out on your own. Again, 10.2 inches why? What happens when it goes to 11"? It's no longer netbook? One thing to consider, is that nobody buys 8 inch netbooks. Why? Keyboard size that's why. A netbook really is the smallest possible computer that will allow for a full size keyboard. End of story.
laptops without optical drives that are most certainly not netbooks. The
Asus UL30A I reviewed recently lacked one. But it has a 13.3 inch screen.
Would you call that a netbook?
I've written several manifestos over the years describing what I think a
netbook is, and while it may not entirely be up to me to decide, I've been
pretty consistent. If you check the "about" page, you'll find the
description I wrote over a year ago and it's the same as the one I just gave
you in terms of size, weight, and price.
I'm not sure why you're insisting that netbooks aren't laptops though. Are
they smartphones? If it has a nearly full sized keyboard, folds in half, a
battery, and can rest on your lap, I'm pretty sure that makes it a laptop.
I do ask though, why the other great big site tell me that netbooks are call such because of their processor. So, the other biggest site differs in view from the other biggest site. What does that do for the general public? Think about it.
Netbook are not laptops in the sense that towers are not laptops. You don't take your tower out as a portable pc. Why? It's too heavy and big. Laptops, in reality, as those computers that sit at home on your table or desk. Why would you take that out in public when you have the netbook option? That's my point. Perhaps you still feel like "laptop" indicates a portable PC, but that's old school thinking. Since netbooks have showed up, those are the new portable, whether you choose to accept that fact or not. Guarantee, like the iPods of years past, things will get smaller and more powerful. This first generation of netbooks were weak, but guess what? The industry will and has responded. They can and are making netbooks extremely powerful in terms of graphics and video. That's all people really want for a portable. Graphics, video, and a full size keyboard. Nobody cares about how big the hard drive is. Nobody cares about 3 gigs of ram. Maybe if it was that stay at home PC, but a netbook is the new go between.
Revisit your labeling of laptops and netbooks please. Here is my check list, and please tell me where or what doesn't make this 1410 a netbook. (not trying to spam, just wanting your take)
-light (check)
-thin (check)
-cheap (check)
-no optical drive (check)
-weak graphic/video performance (check)
-long battery life
Did I miss something here? Seriously, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..... Are you big sites under some pressure? You have to be sheep? In a sense, you owe it to the general public to be clear. If you want to call this 1410 a "laptop", then have the decency to include "ultra thin" or "thin and light" so that people will learn what computers do or do not come with optical drives. People out there aren't as smart as you think.
I disregard your comments or thoughts based on your ignorance of the subject you are commenting on. You don't have a clue on how the internet works and I can appreciate that. I certainly won't hold ignorance against anyone. I'm sure you are a decent person deep down.
There really isn't a platform here for such debates, but the fact still remains. This site is a "top dog". At some point, you have to understand your place and influence and act accordingly. The blog is about "netbooks" apparently, but the definition is now skewed. What I see, is that 10" computers are netbooks, and everything else is a laptop. That's what I see here anyways. I don't see many reviews of 7,8,9" computers, so 10" are what you would be covering on this site because those are netbooks. Everything 11" and bigger is a laptop, so... perhaps it's time to update the "about us" page. Not an important debate to most, but for some it is. I fall into the latter category obviously. I don't want to spam, so I'll leave it at that. I didn't see a reply to my "walks like a duck..." so I'll take that as pwned. :-) Cheers! <eom>
Acer has their new line of 11.6 netbooks. How much "better" is the best processor, the 7300 in the 1810T, than the 2300 found in the 1410? Will you see a huge preformance difference in everyday activities (flash videos, spreadsheets, casual websurfing)? And will upping the memory from 2GB to 4 GB in the 1410 make up for some of the difference in lack of processing power? besides the smaller battery and hard drive, I am trying to figure out how much slower the 1410 will be for average use than the high end 1810T
Thanks
Do you happen to know when and if Acer plans to release the 250gb version of their duo core 1410 here?
Thank you
Also, if anyone could advise me...I'm also confused as to the difference between the following 1410 processors: the Celeron M 743 1.3GHz and the Intel Core 2 Solo SU3500.
My main usage for this netbook will be for photography - on location viewing and some editing as well. I'd like to be able to run editing software such as Adobe Elements - not the full Photoshop version, and be able to store a good amount of photos. This would not be my main computer for this, but just for portable use.
Any advice or comments?
Thank you!
Fifi
Brad/whoever knows about them -- which one provides better performance, the SU 2300 or the ULV 743? I couldn't find a review on the 743 and don't know which one to choose...
Also, does anyone know how it compares to the MSI X340? (Core 2 Solo SU3500 CULV)
Thanks!
Sorry I can't help you with the performance questions on the cpu's.
Good luck with your purchase,
-fifi
Brad/whoever knows about them -- which one provides better performance, the SU 2300 or the ULV 743? I couldn't find a review on the 743 and don't know which one to choose...
Also, does anyone know how it compares to the MSI X340? (Core 2 Solo SU3500 CULV)
Thanks!
I was leary about Windows 7 after unhappy experiences with Vista but it has been fine. The display seem more than adequate for viewing and the keyboard ergonomics are fine.
I want to up the memory to 4gigs abd see what it does for performance.